chris.herring (Chris Herring, senior sportswriter): So, the last time we talked, we thought maybe we d reached peak madness in the NBA playoffs already. The Raptors and Celtics had actually played an overtime game that was great, and it looked as if we were certainly barreling toward a Lakers/Clippers crash course.
And well … the Clippers collided with the Nuggets, instead.
tchow (Tony Chow, video manufacturer): How young and innocent all of us were back then.
The Heat and Celtics kept the overtime trend alive, with Miami winning Game 1 in dramatic style. What are the chances that the Heat take out the Celtics in this series?
dre.waters (Andres Waters, FiveThirtyEight contributor): LOL
dubin (Jared Dubin, FiveThirtyEight factor): Forty-five percent, according to RAPTOR!
chris.herring: … And that appears like a clear mistake to me.
dre.waters: Herro was really one assist brief of being the youngest gamer in NBA history to tape a triple-double in the conference finals.
When they overplayed the cuts backdoor, nearly looked Jokić-like in terms of searching backcuts and then punishing the Celtics with a pass to the perimeter.
Side note: How much do the Celtics regret turning Crowder into a shooter? If that had actually never ever taken place a few years back, he would not even be on the Heat right now.
dubin: He has such an unusual shot circulation for a star, too. Plus, he parades himself to the line like 400 times a night.
dubin: Bam was most likely the second-best death big man in the league this year– specifically on short present of the pick and roll.
chris.herring: I wonder if him moving from group to team … to team makes people question how great he is, or if hes worth it. You usually do not see clubs move on from a guy whos a super star. I dont understand that Jimmy is one. It really does feel like he affects the video game as much as the guys we call superstars. And its clear he considers himself on their level, if not better.
chris.herring: It kinda feels like they ought to be preferred, in between the lead and the fact that they compare along with they do
dre.waters: Even though we had simply enjoyed the Nuggets return from the very same deficit the round before, it was still actually unexpected to see simply just how much the Clippers fell apart in the 2nd half of that video game.
Mentioning people on Jimmys level: Kawhi Leonard and Paul George. … All of an unexpected, they arent in the playoffs any longer. The Nuggets disposed of them after installing another 3-1 resurgence, retreating in blowout fashion to win Game 7.
Among the better, more impactful playoff obstructs weve seen in current memory.
Makes you think that will be a change going forward in the series.
tchow: I believe the surprise is kinda our own faults, too. (” Our” suggesting just NBA media.) It feels like all season, youve heard over and over that the Clippers had a championship-caliber roster, and the franchise itself was not shy about verifying that. I mean, making those relocations in the offseason, they clearly had a title-or-bust idea going into this season. You just heard it over and over again, so when they collapse like this, the surprise is in large part since we developed them up in our heads. Or at least I did.
chris.herring: Which assists offset the below average jumper.
dubin: By the method, Murray just had a great series while being safeguarded almost exclusively by Kawhi, PG and Pat Beverley. Think hes gon na have a simpler time versus Danny Green, Kentavious Caldwell-Pope, Alex Caruso and Rajon Rondo?
I truly hope Lakers coach Frank Vogel does not wait as long as Doc Rivers did to make modifications, however.
Outscored 50-33 in the 2nd half … ooof.
chris.herring: And none of that even gets to him making the play of the video game, which Tony discussed earlier.
dubin: Theres a 112 percent chance that Vogel is returning to the huge lineup to start the series, right? I feel pretty positive in that occurring.
tchow: That 45 percent seems low to me. Miami leads in the series, and RAPTOR doesnt account for how much of an impact that Adebayo block will have on Jayson Tatums future efficiencies.
tchow: I think the huge lineup would be the apparent choice for the Lakers. Exploit among your clear benefits.
dre.waters: Thats got ta be eating them up. Everytime the Heat require big 3 this postseason, he seems to strike one for them
chris.herring: I believe that question is one that may define the series, Jared. That together with what occurs in between Jokić and Anthony Davis.
The Heat are a frightening group. Still simply one loss this postseason! And they nearly won that one, too.
dubin: I believed the Celtics would have far more success hunting private matches than they performed in Game 1. They got Duncan Robinson in nasty trouble very rapidly, however Tyler Herro held his own, and for some factor they kept going at Bam Adebayo in choice and rolls instead of attempting to attack Goran Dragić in isolation.
tchow: Yeah, Im going to be actually interested to see how the Nuggets wind up matching up versus the Lakers, defensively more so than offensively.
Paul Millsap had a turning point. The contributions of Murray and Nikola Jokić go without stating, and when one got going, it opened up things for the other, because of how the Clippers went about trapping and doubling.
And the fact that it was their offense that was so bad made it a lot more unexpected, I think. There were some cracks in the defense throughout the year, however you d think they might generate some points against a defense that was type of helpless up until like 2 weeks back.
dubin: I wish to state its about equivalent, however when you see Kawhi and PG go 10-38 for 24 points in Game 7, that inconveniences.
dubin: One thing about the Heat is that many different guys can bring them at different times. Dragić and Herro kept them in it early, Jae Crowder just kept making threes, and then Jimmy Butlers scoring and Bams block won it late.
chris.herring: He might be the most uncommon star in the league, guy. Can drop 40 one night but then hand the reins to another person the next. Truly excellent passer. A stud protector. But always appears to be there for the big minutes.
We might start in any variety of places. However how shocked were y all by the Nuggets return, and just how much of this was Denvers doing versus the Clippers collapsing?
dubin: Denvers defense has actually gotten a lot stingier (121.7 points per 100 in the seeding games, 131.1 through Game 4 of allure series, 107.1 given that), and Jamal Murray really just cant miss out on anything. I desire to provide the Nuggets practically all of the credit. But guy, it actually feels like L.A.s offense self-destructed.
So Ill be the very first to credit the Nuggets while likewise stating that this was terribly frustrating from the Clippers.
One thing that truly stood apart to me was Bams playmaking. The ball remained in hands seemingly more than regular, so I returned and took a look at the numbers. He ended up with 9 assists, which was excellent enough. However he came away 13 prospective assist opportunities– more than double the number he balanced versus the Celtics in the regular season.
dre.waters: Bams playmaking is quite underrated. Hes in fact been their leader in helps this postseason.
tchow: In our last chat, someone who clearly knows nothing about the NBA said, “The Nuggets have actually had an actually impressive playoff run, but I cant see them pulling this off.” Kid, was that guy wrong.
Three of those four guys are consistently excellent protectors, and one (Rondo) has been excellent in the postseason. However guy, theyre not on the level of the guys the Clippers threw at Murray.
chris.herring: No points in the 4th quarter from either guy! Kawhi and PG were scoreless! With one complimentary toss effort the whole game!
tchow: Our projection has them as generally a toss-up, with the Celtics getting a small edge (55 percent to Miamis 45 percent).
tchow: I dont believe there was ever a concern that Butler was a star in this league, albeit an enigmatic one. That partially describes all the group modifications hes had more than the years. Hes a hard one to identify, but these games in the bubble so far have shown how fun he can be to enjoy.
chris.herring: I seemed like Boston wouldnt struggle almost as much as Milwaukee did to produce offense versus the Heat defense. But Kemba Walker continues to get a heap of protective pressure. And as Jared explained … challenging Adebayo is certainly an odd option
Some video games, he totally dominates from start-to-finish. Others he vanishes for long stretches, just to pop up at the most appropriate times (like Game 1).
Saw this note from Anthony Slater over at The Athletic:
The Lakers this year, versus the Nuggets:
tchow: OK, never mind then. Frank, if youre reading this, reconsider your beginning five for Game 1 tomorrow.
With Anthony Davis and JaVale McGee, 52 minutes overall, and the Lakers were outscored by 18.
With Anthony Davis and Dwight Howard: 42 minutes, and the groups were even.
With Anthony Davis and neither huge alongside him: 56 minutes, and the Lakers outscored Denver by 34.
Doesnt Anthony Davis HATE playing center?
dubin: I would say the most likely elements would be Murray, cold shooting from the Green-KCP-Kuzma-Morris crew, and the Nuggets getting excellent video games from Harris and 2 of Millsap-Grant-Porter every night.
As Jared stated before, Murray isnt going to see better protectors than he did last round, which needs to be motivating for the Nuggets. And the Nuggets do have a handful of bodies they can throw at LeBron James, though LeBron ought to be able to produce still.
chris.herring: Beats having to go through Kawhi for an entire series, you d believe.
tchow: We need to really do a “Family Feud” board of things probably to happen for the remainder of the playoffs and see who gets three Xs first. Thats kinda how “Family Feud” works right?
Dubin:? Bang with Jokić for four to seven games, and then you get Daniel Theis or Bam in the Finals, in what ought to presumably be less physically taxing (in the method Davis likes to prevent) matches.
chris.herring: Yeah: No. 1 on my “Family Feud” board would be cold Lakers shooting from the exterior.
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dre.waters: Pretty sure he does, LOL.
dubin: LeBron might be holding himself a little event at the reality that he gets to play Paul Millsap in the playoffs once again.
chris.herring: I took the Lakers in this series, but Im likewise completely prepared for the Nuggets to make me look like a moron one more time, for great procedure.
You have to have the ability to make the Nuggets pay for playing Porter Jr. long minutes. Gary Harris most likely has to be a factor on both ends; not just defense.
dubin: Pretty good road for a group that struggled in half-court offense for most of the year.
tchow: Well, if Murray can play the method he bet 2 NBA All-Defensive 2nd team gamers (Kawhi and Bev), perhaps hell have another terrific series versus simply one NBA All-Defensive first string gamer in Davis, particularly since Davis will most likely protect Murray a total of no minutes.
It truly does feel like he affects the video game as much as the guys we call superstars. The Nuggets disposed of them after mounting another 3-1 return, pulling away in blowout style to win Game 7.
dre.waters: I mean, if youre actually betting a shot at the champion, I would think Davis would be willing to make the sacrifice, if required.
dubin: If advertisement didnt state openly at almost every opportunity that he wants to be a power forward, I dont think JaVale or Dwight would get any playoff minutes. However alas, AD does state that at basically every chance. It was one of the first things he stated upon being traded to the Lakers.
tchow: They have point guard/center Nikola Jokić who puts them over the top.
tchow: Yeah, this is probably a case of the needs of the group being more essential than the desires of a gamer– but this is likewise the NBA.
The Heat and Celtics kept the overtime trend alive, with Miami winning Game 1 in dramatic fashion. Hes a difficult one to pinpoint, however these video games in the bubble so far have actually shown how fun he can be to enjoy.
tchow: And then they would a defense ranked in the playoff top 5 on the other side of the conference in the Finals. Rude awakening?
chris.herring: Wont the Lakers HATE Anthony Davis if he does not play center in this series for long stretches, and they lose because of it ?!
dubin: It remains entirely crazy that the Clippers didnt hunt Porter on defense like the Jazz did.
chris.herring: If the Nuggets wind up winning the series, what will have been the distinction, do you think? Murray? Aside from Murray, what do the Nuggets have that puts them over the top?
chris.herring: The Lakers end up facing a slate of defenses that are ranked no better than 15th on their method to the Finals, if they arrive.
dubin: Jerami Grant did a better job on Kawhi than I believed he would, but LeBron is even another level of physicality. Thats gon na be real tough on Grant.
dre.waters: I believe Harris, Porter Jr. or Jerami Grant will need to be the difference. Denver is going to require somebody else to step up offensively.
With one free throw effort the entire game!
